Friday, January 11, 2013
Is graduate school in chemistry bad for your mental health? Part 5 (finale)
This is a bit of a late post, but make sure to check out part 5 of our graduate school mental health dialogue over at Chemjobber for some comments and final thoughts. I hope this was a helpful and/or eye-opening dialogue to readers, and I thank Chemjobber for the opportunity to discuss this topic!
Thursday, January 10, 2013
Is graduate school in chemistry bad for your mental health? Part 4
Note: this post is the
second in a series of five in a dialogue between Vinylogous (Not the Lab) and Chemjobber. This dialogue seeks to
facilitate a discussion around the question: “‘Is graduate school in chemistry
bad for your mental health?” Part
1 (CJ), part
2 (NTL), and part3 (CJ) are located as linked. The final post (part 5) will appear tomorrow
at Chemjobber’s blog.
Dear Chemjobber,
Your last post brought some apt parallels between
high-stress environments and graduate school, as well as some entirely
important recommendations. A human support system is valuable: I’d echo the
notion that it should include other chemists, non-chemist scientists, and
non-scientists. It’s good to get a dose of reality every once in a while.
It’s been great to see engagement in the comments as well as
by numerous Twitter users (too many to efficiently name; it’d look like a J. Med. Chem. author list) and bloggers,
including the very personal contributions of Derek
Lowe and See
Arr Oh (as you noted), but also since then some perspectives from UK-based JessTheChemist
at her blog The Organic Solution as well as Glen
Ernst at Just Another Electron Pusher (CENtral Science).
I would be very interested
to get the perspective of some PIs on the matter (surely some read your blog).
I know of at least a few PIs with particularly fearsome reputations who nevertheless
believe they have their students’ best interests at heart. Some may indeed be
genuine sociopaths, but I suspect others are just unaware or ill-equipped.
[Edit: after I wrote this, Professor
Chris Cramer of The University of Minnesota wrote his thoughts in
this honest account]
This post is pretty long (so were the others, I guess), so I’ve
employed subheadings.
Mental health benefits?
You asked the question:
Do you think grad school could be good for your mental health? That’s
certainly worth addressing. While it’s obvious that the field has many
elephants in many rooms that need dealt with, there’s certainly some good things
to be said. A stressful program that doesn’t break you down can make you stronger; it can make you
emotionally tougher (the counterpoint is: does it make you tougher than you
realistically need to be for real-world work?). It can teach independence and self-reliance. And it can show
(i.e. force) you how to deal with failure (imagine a world where PhDs took 2
years, composed only of handle-turning projects that were extremely low risk—what
would happen to science on a broad scale?). And for those whose projects
actually work: it can instill pride
and confidence.
But I don’t know that I’m quite qualified to speak on the
benefits yet. Were there aspects of your grad and post-grad career that you
attribute to improving your mental
health? Besides just getting out of there?
At this point I’d like to draw attention to a couple examples
of happy folks in grad school. From “Ken”,
yesterday on your blog:
I was extremely lucky to work for a
PI who understood the value of encouragement, frequent but not overbearing
collaboration, work-life balance, and setting time-bound yet achievable goals.
He fully realized that if you were actually planning your work appropriately,
managing your time well, and concentrating on executing while you were in lab
(for example, not succumbing to distractions like the internet) that you should
be able to work a 50 - 60 hour week and be extremely productive.
At Derek’s blog, Curious
Wavefunction had a similar remark:
Both my advisors were wonderful
mentors; easy going yet rigorous, whip smart yet respectful and always generous
in assigning credit and empathizing with your problems. Vacation was liberally
granted (upto 4 weeks) and nobody was expected to work more than 40 hours every
week unless work demanded it. Basically they did a fantastic job in teaching us
how to be both first-rate scientists and decent human beings worth emulating. I
would go back to being a grad student with them in a heartbeat.
A number of other comments run along those lines too. It
seems that there are a couple hallmarks of lab groups/PIs/grad programs that
lead to overall happiness: (1) projects that work; (2) advisors who are
flexible with hours; (3) work-life balance; (4) good time management skills;
(5) advisors who care about good time
management skills and don’t simply demand more work in the ‘saved’ time. Are
there other factors I’ve missed?
Work-hour tradeoffs
A counterpoint to the ‘happy labs’ concept pops up immediately,
though. Is it really green pastures? Or
by working fewer hours and maintaining healthier lives do you lose your edge
and competitiveness in the field? Do you get as much out of working for an ‘easy’
advisor as you do from a ‘slavedriver’? Does fear of mediocrity keep students
from joining the labs of friendly PIs? There’s a definite mentality among some
that working 60 hours will do more for your career than 50. And 70 is better
than 60. And 80 better than 70. So the PI whose students work 55 hours can’t
possibly be as good as the other one whose students work 75.
To some degree I would argue that more work equals more success (especially in gruntwork-laden
organic synthesis). But there’s also got to be a point of diminishing returns.
Where is that? (There are some 55-hour-weekers who can be exceptionally
productive; there’s some 80-hour-weekers who get fired).
And moreover: we are younger when we join grad school than
when we leave it. As such, a nascent chemistry student is, I’d wager, less
likely to regard long work hours and monotony as a significant downside.
Newcomers can’t accurately know what working for 5 years for 80 hours a week is
like (obviously). They’re more likely to assume that, abundant with youthful
energy, they can work harder than the next guy and simply tough it out. By the
time reality kicks in (3rd year?), it’s too late to switch groups
and still graduate on time.
How many people would change groups if they could go back in
time?
On a related note, some people have commented that work
hours in the UK and Europe tend to be fewer, resulting in happier grad students
(some also posit that UK grad students are less skilled, but that tenet is
beyond the scope of this manuscript). For one eye-opening (and hilarious)
account, see scientist/comedian Adam Ruben’s story of speaking
to a group in Belgium and noting the un-grad-school-like atmosphere there.
Another story comes from JessTheChemist
(mentioned earlier), who wrote of
her relatively less-stressful, 45-50-ish hour weeks (with free weekends) in the
UK. She speculates on the productivity/enthusiasm balance, and notes that
she probably left with more of a love for the subject than someone who was
constantly browbeaten. I think that’s important to consider.
Advisors as aggravators
A lot of the comments, and some of our previous posts, have mentioned
the role of the PI as a stressor. As one anonymous
comment noted today at your blog:
I can remember a discussion of
mental health with my PI and other members of the group at one point. The
response to the discussion of mental health from the PI was "that's a
bunch of touchy/feely crap".
That comment made it extremely
difficult for me to openly come to my PI to discuss mental health issues that I
was having.
The blind eye than professors often turn to this problem is a source of frustration. There's a bunch of comments about professors who ignore some obviously inflammatory social situations within their groups: this is consistent with some things I've seen.
I think it’s worth mentioning again that PI choice needs to
be done carefully. Advice on PI choice typically emphasizes the science being
done in the group as well as the skills to be learned and the connections in
industry/academia that the investigator has. Group culture should be an
important consideration, too.
So: about PIs. There’s an abundance of evidence in the
comments that many people regard PIs as the source of their stress. It’s
probably pertinent to look at the pressures that cause PIs to exhibit this
behavior (presumably they were human at one point).
The recent stir over an article at Forbes is probably
relevant. Remember how Susan Adams of Forbes last week proposed
University Professor as the least stressful job of 2013? And the furor that it provoked? Clearly, people are aware that being a PI is itself a very high-stress
job (especially pre-tenure—it seems every teddy-bear PI has a dark pre-tenure
story).
Many PIs I know work hours consistent with their graduate
students; even those who go home at the promised-land time of 5 pm work late
into the evening on grants, literature, etc. One PI here puts in probably 90
hours a week in the department alone (long-past tenured). Meanwhile, grants are
hard to get; salaries are increasingly in dispute as collective bargaining
rights are stripped and the tenure system is threatened with overhaul; pay is lower then industry; futures are dependent on the caprice of reviewers and tenure committees; time is
stretched thin. Demands like this of people not formally trained in leadership
or management inevitably lead to stress (or at the very least, high-octane
conditioning). The stress is passed down to students. So part of the problem
with PIs, as posters have posited, can be placed primarily on the broader
system of grants, promotion, and “the institution.”
Contrarian perspectives
Interestingly, I’m sure you noticed some contrarian views
popping up: most notably, the string
of comments by pseudonym “Lyle Langley” on yesterday’s (part 3) post. He
had prefaced with this point:
Here is an honest question to these
posts about graduate school being bad for one's mental health. Is it really
graduate school causing the issues, or are the people having the issues predisposed
and would have had the same issues in any stressful job.
I think we had mentioned this idea before, in a cursory discussion.
It’s blunt, but a valid point: Does grad
school cause these issues? Or does it just exacerbate them? As someone
uninformed in any clinical aspects of mental health commenting on a
pseudonymous posting from someone who probably doesn’t have any training in
mental health as part of a discussion with another blogger without any formal
qualifications in mental health, my professional opinion would be that it’s a
little of column A and a little of column B. Not all stress is the same, and
people doing some high-stress jobs (say, grad school) might be miserable in
other jobs (say, financial analysis, emergency room medicine, etc) and
vice-versa. So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to make the case that grad
school does cause stress in most of
these cases. But for people pre-disposed to imbalance, it’s probably much, much
worse.
I guess it’s fair to say that some people can handle the stress, even in the
toughest programs. But just because some people don’t get lung cancer from
smoking doesn’t mean that everyone should smoke a pack a day.
In any case, I strongly invite comment on the above (bolded)
question.
Field choice and conclusions
As I wind down, I want to share a
comment by “OrganicLOL” over at Derek Lowe’s blog that is pertinent to the
question of subfield (i.e. are these
mental health aspects localized to organic chemistry?):
If your PI is a dick, then you have
the wrong PI. If all PIs at your institution are terrible, then you are at the
wrong institution. If most PIs in your field are terrible (organic chem), then
you are in the wrong field. I left a PhD program in organic for a PhD program
in materials science and engineering. I now feel like my life has a purpose.
When you combine that perspective with the glut of organic
chemists on the market, some of this makes more sense. Certainly there is work
still to be done in organic. But maybe expectations and reality of the field
don’t coincide. Should more people consider switching fields (or subfields—i.e.
to chemical biology or materials)? Organic is probably the biggest chemistry
subfield; is that justified anymore? It seems that so many organic post-docs
are spent doing very similar work,
conceptually, to doctoral work, which can’t help but contribute to the
stone-of-Sisyphus feeling of indeterminate grad school length.
A few questions remain: Do you think that a sustained poor
job outlook might lead to a relaxation of grad school culture? Or will the
harsher grant culture lead to increased pressure on students instead? There are
apparently many labs that don’t suffer from a depression culture: but are
students from these labs as competitive in the job market as the high-octane
labs? (Of course, that’s a very complex question). What high-stress aspects of
the system are maybe really just necessary
in order to impart chemists with the skills and breadth/depth of knowledge
to competently practice in the field?
If you had the power to change a few specific things (i.e. not
vague things like “more happiness” or “better projects”) about graduate
education in chemistry, what would you change? Time limits? Coursework to
include non-science skills? Mandatory phys. ed.? Or is it, to quote Candide, “the best of all possible
worlds” ? (Readers are invited to comment on this, too!)
And finally: what have we learned from all this?
Regards,
Vinylogous
Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Grad school and mental health, part 3
Part three of the continued dialogue "Is graduate school in chemistry bad for your mental health?" is available over at Chemjobber's blog. Read through for discussions on grad school vs professional programs, habits of successful scientists, and military training.
Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Is graduate school in chemistry bad for your mental health? Part 2
Note: this post is the second in a series of five in a dialogue between Vinylogous (Not the Lab) and Chemjobber. This dialogue seeks to facilitate a discussion around the question: “‘Is graduate school in chemistry bad for your mental health?” For the first post, click here. Tomorrow’s post (part 3) will appear at Chemjobber’s blog.
Dear Chemjobber,
This dialogue has been really illustrative so far, despite only beginning today. I have to admit that I’m surprised by how largely one-sided the responses have been: overwhelmingly it seems clear that chemistry grad school, as it is run in the US, is frequently very, very bad for mental health. It’s good that these issues are coming to light, and it seems that there are many chemists who share a common experience.
I admit that I expected more people to jump up in defense of the current system—maybe we’ll see more of that this week. From what I’ve seen, many synthesis labs are stocked with advocates of the old-school style of management: I consider this a scientific Stockholm syndrome. These people brag about the sheer amount of grunt work they can accomplish and the late hours they routinely work, scoff at those having out-of-lab hobbies, and deride physical/analytical/biological chemists as a matter of principle.
It seems that many, many (most!) comments on your first post are written from the “other side” – the promised land beyond the degree. I don’t see many remarks so far from current grad students, though at least one grad-school-bound undergrad has expressed how frightening it all seems. Derek Lowe’s thoughts on the matter have generated a healthy stream of comments themselves.
My own perspective is a little different, as you anticipated. I obtained my (thesis) M.S. in organic synthesis at one university and at the moment I’m relatively early in my path toward a Ph.D. in organic chemistry at a different institution, where I’m pre-candidacy. As such, my “grad-school crazies” haven’t had a chance to set in here yet. We’ll see, I guess, but I don’t plan on completely sacrificing my twenties on the altar of Science.
Getting an M.S. deliberately before a Ph.D., as I did, is unusual (since a master’s is typically considered a ‘quitting’ degree). But I think it was useful.
At one point during my previous degree, when I was doing research, taking classes, and teaching, my advisor told me frankly that my productivity needed to increase. It needed to double. At that point I already felt that I was at my absolutely limit in what I could accomplish in a week. At that point, I had nowhere near enough data for a paper and barely enough for a mediocre conference poster. Weekends had been given up, as had hobbies. When I mentioned to my advisor the many demands on my time, his response was short: “Sometimes you need to prioritize what’s important to you.” (The subtext: stop caring about class and teaching and hobbies). It was an existential moment. I managed somehow to increase my productivity and my efficiency, and within a year or so I had three first-author manuscripts. I defended my M.S. and graduated, moving to another (higher tier) school for a Ph.D. But I left with a pre-conditioned bitterness towards graduate work.
The experience wasn’t terrible, in retrospect: I learned a lot of techniques, gained facility with the literature, developed writing skills, did a little mentoring, etc. But crucially, my time there observing advisors and Ph.D. students showed me the dark aspects of the system. This was a mid-tier grad program, where JACS articles were few and far between. But 7-day workweeks were expected; dinner was eaten hurriedly at one’s desk; stealing was frequent and hoarding of reagents and glassware was necessary. Multiple students wallowed about for seven to ten (!!!) years, probably with undiagnosed depression, and without proper pushing from advisors, they left with (useless) non-thesis master’s degrees. One didn't want anything to do with science upon leaving. Another claims on LinkedIn to have a Ph.D. from the department anyway. A Ph.D. candidate in one lab would, on multiple occasions, suffer rapid bouts of anger (on one occasion, he realized after putting a purified column fraction on the rotary evaporator that he had not pre-weighed the flask—in frustration, he took the glassware and hurled it at the wall).
Importantly, it gave me an idea of what to look for on recruiting weekends when applying to Ph.D. institutions. And awareness of the stress and mental trials of graduate work. I think awareness is vital in preventing emotional collapse; if you can see a problem on the horizon, you can plan and maybe circumvent it.
I think a question worth exploring is this: what aspects of the system contribute to the inordinate amount of stress and threaten mental health? I’m going to spend some time discussing my observations, and I invite comment on them.
Work/life balance. I think this is THE biggest thing wrong with organic chemistry that contributes to stress. Professors usually don’t want to discuss work-life balance, because it means fewer hours from their students (I must add here that some do; a few that I know recognize that happier students are more productive and encourage their grads to pursue outside interests. These labs have the most funding in our department).
Some examples are in order.
I talked to another grad student who has a passion for a certain extramural sport. He plays it weekly during the warm and leukwarm months. He’s been productive, has several good publications, and is personable and helpful, despite frequently leaving at 5 pm. I asked him why he chose his current lab over another that does very similar work. His reply: “My advisor lets me play [identifying sport]. I don’t think [the other professor] would.”
In my previous degree work, I found myself at situation where I “worked” even when at home: I’d speculate on my project over dinner, and I’d read manuscripts rather than read books (reverse procrastination). What I hadn't done was compartmentalize or set limits. As it is now, I avoid reading manuscripts or planning tasks after I go home for the day if I can. It’s not realistic all the time, but I try to adhere to “work smarter, not harder.” That is, I strive for efficiency at work and minimal overlap of work and not-work. Realistically, not everyone is allowed to do this, as bosses have very different demands on time.
Dear Chemjobber,
This dialogue has been really illustrative so far, despite only beginning today. I have to admit that I’m surprised by how largely one-sided the responses have been: overwhelmingly it seems clear that chemistry grad school, as it is run in the US, is frequently very, very bad for mental health. It’s good that these issues are coming to light, and it seems that there are many chemists who share a common experience.
I admit that I expected more people to jump up in defense of the current system—maybe we’ll see more of that this week. From what I’ve seen, many synthesis labs are stocked with advocates of the old-school style of management: I consider this a scientific Stockholm syndrome. These people brag about the sheer amount of grunt work they can accomplish and the late hours they routinely work, scoff at those having out-of-lab hobbies, and deride physical/analytical/biological chemists as a matter of principle.
It seems that many, many (most!) comments on your first post are written from the “other side” – the promised land beyond the degree. I don’t see many remarks so far from current grad students, though at least one grad-school-bound undergrad has expressed how frightening it all seems. Derek Lowe’s thoughts on the matter have generated a healthy stream of comments themselves.
My own perspective is a little different, as you anticipated. I obtained my (thesis) M.S. in organic synthesis at one university and at the moment I’m relatively early in my path toward a Ph.D. in organic chemistry at a different institution, where I’m pre-candidacy. As such, my “grad-school crazies” haven’t had a chance to set in here yet. We’ll see, I guess, but I don’t plan on completely sacrificing my twenties on the altar of Science.
Getting an M.S. deliberately before a Ph.D., as I did, is unusual (since a master’s is typically considered a ‘quitting’ degree). But I think it was useful.
At one point during my previous degree, when I was doing research, taking classes, and teaching, my advisor told me frankly that my productivity needed to increase. It needed to double. At that point I already felt that I was at my absolutely limit in what I could accomplish in a week. At that point, I had nowhere near enough data for a paper and barely enough for a mediocre conference poster. Weekends had been given up, as had hobbies. When I mentioned to my advisor the many demands on my time, his response was short: “Sometimes you need to prioritize what’s important to you.” (The subtext: stop caring about class and teaching and hobbies). It was an existential moment. I managed somehow to increase my productivity and my efficiency, and within a year or so I had three first-author manuscripts. I defended my M.S. and graduated, moving to another (higher tier) school for a Ph.D. But I left with a pre-conditioned bitterness towards graduate work.
The experience wasn’t terrible, in retrospect: I learned a lot of techniques, gained facility with the literature, developed writing skills, did a little mentoring, etc. But crucially, my time there observing advisors and Ph.D. students showed me the dark aspects of the system. This was a mid-tier grad program, where JACS articles were few and far between. But 7-day workweeks were expected; dinner was eaten hurriedly at one’s desk; stealing was frequent and hoarding of reagents and glassware was necessary. Multiple students wallowed about for seven to ten (!!!) years, probably with undiagnosed depression, and without proper pushing from advisors, they left with (useless) non-thesis master’s degrees. One didn't want anything to do with science upon leaving. Another claims on LinkedIn to have a Ph.D. from the department anyway. A Ph.D. candidate in one lab would, on multiple occasions, suffer rapid bouts of anger (on one occasion, he realized after putting a purified column fraction on the rotary evaporator that he had not pre-weighed the flask—in frustration, he took the glassware and hurled it at the wall).
Importantly, it gave me an idea of what to look for on recruiting weekends when applying to Ph.D. institutions. And awareness of the stress and mental trials of graduate work. I think awareness is vital in preventing emotional collapse; if you can see a problem on the horizon, you can plan and maybe circumvent it.
I think a question worth exploring is this: what aspects of the system contribute to the inordinate amount of stress and threaten mental health? I’m going to spend some time discussing my observations, and I invite comment on them.
Work/life balance. I think this is THE biggest thing wrong with organic chemistry that contributes to stress. Professors usually don’t want to discuss work-life balance, because it means fewer hours from their students (I must add here that some do; a few that I know recognize that happier students are more productive and encourage their grads to pursue outside interests. These labs have the most funding in our department).
Some examples are in order.
I talked to another grad student who has a passion for a certain extramural sport. He plays it weekly during the warm and leukwarm months. He’s been productive, has several good publications, and is personable and helpful, despite frequently leaving at 5 pm. I asked him why he chose his current lab over another that does very similar work. His reply: “My advisor lets me play [identifying sport]. I don’t think [the other professor] would.”
In my previous degree work, I found myself at situation where I “worked” even when at home: I’d speculate on my project over dinner, and I’d read manuscripts rather than read books (reverse procrastination). What I hadn't done was compartmentalize or set limits. As it is now, I avoid reading manuscripts or planning tasks after I go home for the day if I can. It’s not realistic all the time, but I try to adhere to “work smarter, not harder.” That is, I strive for efficiency at work and minimal overlap of work and not-work. Realistically, not everyone is allowed to do this, as bosses have very different demands on time.
One organic professor at my previous institution had a reputation for being candid. He also had a fairly solid research record to his name. One day in seminar, a friend and I were discussing installing our university’s VPN client so we could access journal articles off-campus. The professor overheard and snorted. “I don’t have the VPN on my computer,” he said. “I don’t want to read this s#*@ when I go home.”
An important perspective also came from a friend of mine who we were giving a hard time for owning a fancy set of kitchen knives. “You don’t need knives for Ramen noodles,” we insisted. He countered honestly: “I like cooking. If there gets to be a time when I can’t use my fancy knives, then what’s the point? I’ll just quit.” Since then, I myself have resumed cooking.
I think an important thing is: you need at least one hobby. One non-science hobby. Mine right now is writing (last year I wrote a bad but time-consuming novel). If you don’t that kind of time, I think your work and health suffer.
Overall, discussions of work/life balance are absent from chemistry programs; frankly, a student and PI should establish a mutual understanding of what this means, and it should be open to re-negotiation later on. In our departmental orientation, we were handed a list of university counseling centers in an almost embarrassed manner. But no discussion of how to step beyond the lab. Instead, our area head told us: “You should always have something running in your hood.”
Nebulosity. The fact that grad school is a weird, highly variable purgatory is a major contributor, I think. There’s no end in sight, usually, until less than a year from graduation. Some people take 4 years; some take more than 7. The record here might be 13, with an average of 5.5. Moreover, time-to-graduation keeps increasing. It’s a giant chunk of uncertainty. And hours can be uncertain, too. How much is enough? Will 5 more hours a week be useful? Will 5 less be too unproductive? How many papers do I need to get a good degree?
The economy. Because of the down chemistry job market, employment is tougher to find (of course you, Chemjobber, know this). Thus, there’s more competition between students. And as grad students grasp the reality of the employment situation, that dangling carrot of a med-chem job they’d been trodding after starts to shrivel and rot. It’s one thing to put in 10 years of work for a great, stable, high-paying career. It’s another to put in that time for an uncertain future where a career you don’t want or care about is a stark possibility.
Advisors and power structure. I mentioned previously a fifth-year grad student who plays a sport. One of his friends, another fifth-year student, plays on the same league. He’s a member of a different lab, however. He has to hide his activity from his advisor, who already banned the lab from their routine Thursday-night trip to a local restaurant for dinner (they “weren’t being productive enough.”).
I think it’s fairly obvious that advisors are in a power to be abusive, and though many aren’t, a large number are. And oblivious advisors can be as hurtful as malicious advisors. If a student has undiagnosed depression, it may show in their recommendation letters in the form of descriptions of laziness or lack of enthusiasm. Advisors have huge career-altering power. A set of nasty letters from a former boss can sink your chances at good jobs, and there’s really no system to avoid this if you happen to accidentally piss someone off.
An important perspective also came from a friend of mine who we were giving a hard time for owning a fancy set of kitchen knives. “You don’t need knives for Ramen noodles,” we insisted. He countered honestly: “I like cooking. If there gets to be a time when I can’t use my fancy knives, then what’s the point? I’ll just quit.” Since then, I myself have resumed cooking.
I think an important thing is: you need at least one hobby. One non-science hobby. Mine right now is writing (last year I wrote a bad but time-consuming novel). If you don’t that kind of time, I think your work and health suffer.
Overall, discussions of work/life balance are absent from chemistry programs; frankly, a student and PI should establish a mutual understanding of what this means, and it should be open to re-negotiation later on. In our departmental orientation, we were handed a list of university counseling centers in an almost embarrassed manner. But no discussion of how to step beyond the lab. Instead, our area head told us: “You should always have something running in your hood.”
Nebulosity. The fact that grad school is a weird, highly variable purgatory is a major contributor, I think. There’s no end in sight, usually, until less than a year from graduation. Some people take 4 years; some take more than 7. The record here might be 13, with an average of 5.5. Moreover, time-to-graduation keeps increasing. It’s a giant chunk of uncertainty. And hours can be uncertain, too. How much is enough? Will 5 more hours a week be useful? Will 5 less be too unproductive? How many papers do I need to get a good degree?
The economy. Because of the down chemistry job market, employment is tougher to find (of course you, Chemjobber, know this). Thus, there’s more competition between students. And as grad students grasp the reality of the employment situation, that dangling carrot of a med-chem job they’d been trodding after starts to shrivel and rot. It’s one thing to put in 10 years of work for a great, stable, high-paying career. It’s another to put in that time for an uncertain future where a career you don’t want or care about is a stark possibility.
Advisors and power structure. I mentioned previously a fifth-year grad student who plays a sport. One of his friends, another fifth-year student, plays on the same league. He’s a member of a different lab, however. He has to hide his activity from his advisor, who already banned the lab from their routine Thursday-night trip to a local restaurant for dinner (they “weren’t being productive enough.”).
I think it’s fairly obvious that advisors are in a power to be abusive, and though many aren’t, a large number are. And oblivious advisors can be as hurtful as malicious advisors. If a student has undiagnosed depression, it may show in their recommendation letters in the form of descriptions of laziness or lack of enthusiasm. Advisors have huge career-altering power. A set of nasty letters from a former boss can sink your chances at good jobs, and there’s really no system to avoid this if you happen to accidentally piss someone off.
On the other hand, some professors are very keen on their students' happiness and treat them with respect. I've seen professors who go by their first name and invite their lab to gatherings at their house as well as professors who want formalities (including scheduling appointments with a secretary to even have a ten minute talk) and aren't interested in their students beyond a working capacity.
Grad students. As at least one person mentioned in comments, a certain kind of person goes for graduate school work. We’re usually perfectionists or close to it. And quite often workaholics. This leads to long hours and a roller coaster of emotions dependent intimately on each day’s reaction’s success or failure. No one discourages this line of thought: professors want long hours and high yields.
Another thing: I think grad students are likely to exacerbate each other’s poor mental states. This is one reason you see some labs with uniformly high happiness and others with endemic surliness. Generally, your social circle in grad school is confined to your labmates. People swap complaints. These things build, so one person’s problems became another’s. Bad moods are contagious.
The field itself. Also called the “low-hanging fruit problem.” It’s frequently argued that a lot of innovation in synthetic organic chemistry is dead; we’re in the post-Woodwardian era, where advances take more time and are increasingly incremental rather than truly innovative. This leads to a demand for longer hours in order to get results considered worthy. Plus, organic work involves a high amount of “grunt work”—quasi-thoughtless, repetitive tasks such as setting up the same reaction thirty times to complete a table, running columns, distilling solvents, etc. Some subfields are fresher and more varied in their day-to-day, and I’d suspect these have lower rates of stress and depression. I started (M.S. program) in a synthetic lab; I’m currently (Ph.D. program) in a lab where a minority of the work is synthetic. The chemical biologists here are, in large, much more socially well-adjusted and happy than the methodology-driven synthetic chemists are.
So I guess it’s complicated.
I think I had a much clearer picture of the state of organic research going into grad school than do a lot of students, who frequently leap into high-profile labs under the seduction of wedges and dashes without a hard look at what they’re really getting into. I started as one of those chemists.
When discussing these aspects of grad school with organic chemist colleagues, I hear a frequent reply: “Yes, it’s tough, but everyone knows what they’re getting into.” “No one goes into Professor Schmorey B. Deathflask’s lab without expecting that.” “It’s what you have to do to get good work done.”
I don’t know that that’s true. And even if it were, I don’t think that that absolves those in power of responsibility or justifies the system as it is currently run.
So what do you think? I’ve got loads of questions on my mind. What aspects contribute to it? What can be done about it, realistically? And interestingly, how does chemistry grad school compare to other high-demand fields: say, getting a DVM or an MD? How does it compare to graduate programs in business (where compensation upon completion is much higher) or the humanities? Is the stress and mental health worth it—does it pay off to stick it out? I look forward to your thoughts!
Regards,
Vinylogous
Grad students. As at least one person mentioned in comments, a certain kind of person goes for graduate school work. We’re usually perfectionists or close to it. And quite often workaholics. This leads to long hours and a roller coaster of emotions dependent intimately on each day’s reaction’s success or failure. No one discourages this line of thought: professors want long hours and high yields.
Another thing: I think grad students are likely to exacerbate each other’s poor mental states. This is one reason you see some labs with uniformly high happiness and others with endemic surliness. Generally, your social circle in grad school is confined to your labmates. People swap complaints. These things build, so one person’s problems became another’s. Bad moods are contagious.
The field itself. Also called the “low-hanging fruit problem.” It’s frequently argued that a lot of innovation in synthetic organic chemistry is dead; we’re in the post-Woodwardian era, where advances take more time and are increasingly incremental rather than truly innovative. This leads to a demand for longer hours in order to get results considered worthy. Plus, organic work involves a high amount of “grunt work”—quasi-thoughtless, repetitive tasks such as setting up the same reaction thirty times to complete a table, running columns, distilling solvents, etc. Some subfields are fresher and more varied in their day-to-day, and I’d suspect these have lower rates of stress and depression. I started (M.S. program) in a synthetic lab; I’m currently (Ph.D. program) in a lab where a minority of the work is synthetic. The chemical biologists here are, in large, much more socially well-adjusted and happy than the methodology-driven synthetic chemists are.
So I guess it’s complicated.
I think I had a much clearer picture of the state of organic research going into grad school than do a lot of students, who frequently leap into high-profile labs under the seduction of wedges and dashes without a hard look at what they’re really getting into. I started as one of those chemists.
When discussing these aspects of grad school with organic chemist colleagues, I hear a frequent reply: “Yes, it’s tough, but everyone knows what they’re getting into.” “No one goes into Professor Schmorey B. Deathflask’s lab without expecting that.” “It’s what you have to do to get good work done.”
I don’t know that that’s true. And even if it were, I don’t think that that absolves those in power of responsibility or justifies the system as it is currently run.
So what do you think? I’ve got loads of questions on my mind. What aspects contribute to it? What can be done about it, realistically? And interestingly, how does chemistry grad school compare to other high-demand fields: say, getting a DVM or an MD? How does it compare to graduate programs in business (where compensation upon completion is much higher) or the humanities? Is the stress and mental health worth it—does it pay off to stick it out? I look forward to your thoughts!
Regards,
Vinylogous
Sunday, January 6, 2013
Reading assignments, vol. 6
First week of 2013 has rolled in. Some news from the week:
Public health
- Lead has received its due this week. In light of a MotherJones article by Kevin Drum correlating lead exposure with violent crime, Chemjobber has posted his questions and comments on the matter. Meanwhile, Deborah Blum writes an engaging account of the interplay between industry, science, and public health workers over the century in regards to lead exposure and toxicity. Of course, crazy-blog Age of Autism has found a way to turn this into chemophobic shrill regarding vaccines (it's like how everything turns into a Hitler argument on the Internet).
- Maybe not exactly public health, but close: A lot of people suffer from celiac disease, an autoimmune disorder resulting in intolerance to gluten. It's an inherited disorder and has significant consequences for dietary choices. I thought this report in C&EN was interesting; researchers have engineered bacteria to display peptides randomly, then selected for peptides which bound hitherto-unknown antibodies in celiac patients. Read about it in the original article!
- This article at ScientificAmerican highlights an interesting find related to drug resistance.
Social media and science
- In what I call "Blog Syn" (after "Org Syn", aka Organic Syntheses, the journal that ensures procedures are reproducible before publication), the blogging/Twitter community has engaged in a sort of post-publication peer review of a recent JACS article. The original paper, which describes the deceptively simple use of Fe-S clusters in the synthesis of heterocycles, is currently an ASAP in JACS. See Arr Oh drew attention to the paper; subsequently, another chemist tried the procedure, giving only traces of the desired product. After a JACS editor noticed, See Arr Oh contacted the authors, and as of the time of this writing, no response was given. All this before the article was assigned a page number! This is closely reminiscent of the NaH oxidation post-publication headscratching a few years ago. It'll be interesting to watch; this kind of stuff has important implications for modern publication and peer review.
- Razib Khan, of Discover's Gene Expression, opines that the blogroll is dead and/or useless, having been functionally supplanted by readily available RSS readers. Meanwhile, at Collide-a-Scape, Keith Kloor highlights a revealing finding, published in Science, that readers of science writing are increasingly influenced as much by article comment sections as by article content. Concerning, given the number of crazies who like to troll the science. Note that the intro to the Science paper reads like it was written in 1994.
- Not exactly science, but still interesting: Scott Huler notes the increasing use of Twitter and other social media outlets in disaster relief efforts and emergency scenarios.
- In a New York Times piece, Mary Ann Giordano notes that scientific topics have recently been popular on scientific media. This is probably due in part to excellent outreach efforts by NASA and other groups. Good news for scientists, and encouraging: outreach is worth it.
Public perception of science
- Genetically-modified crops are controversial in the public eye. William Connolley responds to what he sees as some besides-the-point or obvious questions posed last week by anti-GMO activists. The GMO dialogue never really seems to change (much like the autisim/vaccine dialogue). Meanwhile, Keith Kloor weighs in on the public misinformation about GMOs.
- Keith Kloor writes of a surprising similarity between the Republican Party and environmentalists: a lack of diversity. This obviously hurts public perception of the environmental movement, which is often seen as a mouthpiece of the well-off who don't understand the needs of the impoverished people who depend on natural resources (i.e. Appalachia, much of Africa, etc.).
- Both Keith Kloor and Derek Lowe discuss the recent turnabout of prominent environmentalist Mark Lynas, who for a long time fought GM technologies in agriculture but now is in favor of them.
- This excellent Q&A between Keith Kloor (a lot of him this week) and Daniel Sarewitz touches on a key issue in the science/politics/culture intersection. Sarewitz urges that while scientists should participate in political processes, transparency on clearly political issues is vital.
- A Guardian column by Dean Burnett discusses the negative reaction by many to a childrens' TV show that portrayed vaccines as the safe and necessary public health measures they are. It's a really entertaining (and frustrating!) read.
- See this guide (as described by Justin Gillis) to the current state of climate change science. Useful for scientists to have; inevitably you'll have the climate change talk with a non-scientist friend.
Academia
- A recent commentary on Forbes describing being a professor as the least stressful job has drawn criticism. The article is pretty myopic, honestly. But it's refreshing that the author, upon receiving numerous contrarian comments, posted an addendum. However, there's still been a sustained social media response, including this detailed "real look" as well as this excellent analysis. Additionally, a list adapted by HuffingtonPost from CareerCast describes what they say are the least stressful jobs. This illustrates a cultural stereotype of professors that probably stems from the humanities.
- Interestingly, Bengu Sezen (who will be described in research ethics courses for decades as a shining example of what not to do) has secured a university position. What.
- Over at ScientificAmerican, Hada Shema discusses the numerous problems with using citation analysis and related metrics in evaluating influence of researchers. Of course, this doesn't stop meaningless lists such as this from being published. Citation analysis will probably remain quite popular, because it's easy.
- This still counts as academia (just not university): last week I mentioned Indiana Senator Dennis Kruse's push to allow creationism in Indiana schools. Now he's pushing to make recitation of the Lord's Prayer a part of the school day.
Other
- Everyone stay tuned; this week Chemjobber and I will be having a dialogue exploring whether or not graduate school in chemistry is bad for your mental health. It starts tomorrow (Monday) over at Chemjobber.
- Derek Lowe discusses a recent paper on the nature of high-throughput screening collections. Not surprisingly, HTS collections are often narrow and biased; is this just because of synthetic tractability or is it also peacocking by the suppliers? Not surprising; HTS can be controversial, as some people think it hasn't nearly lived up to its promise, but others say it's vital.
- This is cool for the art-inclined: some surrealist illustrations from 1970s textbooks by artist Karl Nicholason. Biochemistry figures still look like that.
- See Arr Oh points out some delightful chemophobia you can buy at Target
- Photographer and scientist Alex Wild points out why photographers shouldn't pretend to be biologists (click through!). It's facepalm-worthy here, but also concerning: so much research is denounced publicly as "obvious" because people are willing to assume they know things based on "common sense". This kind of illustrates the concept.
Friday, January 4, 2013
Decaf is no way to treat a human
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| Caffeine; aka Tree-of-life. |
Recently our chemistry department held a research symposium. A series of morning talks, lunch, and afternoon talks. Each series of lectures was punctuated by a brief coffee/stretch break, in which a hundred or so zombified chemists lined up single-file to the lone coffee dispenser. With a simple push of a button, each of us received, like holy communion, our ration of liquid alertness.
The cups were tiny, but the coffee soon ran dry. The caterer had not, for some reason, adequately estimated our caffeine needs, and thus disgruntled students and postdocs pressed and re-pressed the dispenser button with forlorn faces.
Our organic area chair was not pleased. With the assistance of some choice vocabulary, he expressed wonderment at the incompetence of the caterer.
"There's still some decaf," I pointed out. "We could just drink a couple thousand cups of that." (The decaf had not been touched, being functionally useless).
He chuckled. "There is some caffeine left over in decaffeinated coffee." Then an aside: "You know how they remove it? They market it as nature's effervescence.* But there's nothing natural about supercritical carbon dioxide."
For various reasons, typically health-related, there is a demand for decaffeinated coffee. The first industrial decaffeination processes used benzene (yikes). This method has fallen out of favor; the current most popular methods include ethyl acetate extraction, dichloromethane extraction (hello), water/charcoal, or supercritical carbon dioxide.
Amusingly, ethyl acetate extraction is referred to as "natural". In fact, a lot of coffee sources like to tout their "natural" methods. The popular Swiss Water Process, for example, is touted as "100% chemical-free" by many coffee dealers (despite rumors that the company employs a solution of aqueous dihydrogen monoxide). Caribou Coffee subscribes to this line of chemophobic nonsense.
Although it's tea and not coffee, Numi offers an amusing and confusing account of their "organic decaffeination process":
We use an organic CO2 process to decaffeinate our teas called "Effervescence." The tea is placed in a pressurized chamber and Carbon Dioxide, an inert gas, is pumped in and locks onto the leaves, extracting caffeine from tea leaves. This process does not leave any chemical residues and maintains antioxidant levels and flavor quality (in other processes, polyphenols are removed). This is the only chemical-free decaffeination method that does not extract flavor or health properties.Apparently carbon dioxide isn't a chemical. And it's inert (haha, joke's on you, everyone who's made carboxylates from organolithiums and dry ice!)? And they don't mention that the carbon dioxide is a supercritical fluid and not a gas, pressurized at several hundred atmospheres. But that would sound too much like a chemical, and chemicals are bad.
Altogether, "decaffeinated" is a bit of a misnomer. It's not caffeine-free. It's caffeine-deficient. Some caffeine still remains (this should come as no surprise).
A normal (i.e. useful) cup of coffee contains about 110 mg of caffeine (or more, or less, depending on brew method and whatever source you're looking at). Decaf contains up to around 10 mg (or as little as 2 mg; it depends, I guess). So via some quick computational methods we can say that there are 11 cups of decaf to one cup of real coffee (or 55 cups if you have 2 mg in a cup). Call it ten for sig figs' sake. That's about as good as you'll get.
So don't worry. Chug anywhere from ten to fifty-five cups of decaf when your departmental seminar runs out of regular and you'll be good to go. But since that's 1.9 to 10.3 quarts (1.8 to 9.8 liters) of liquid (a common guideline is a max tolerance of about 1 liter of water per hour max), you may just have to sleep through that materials chemistry seminar.
* This may occasionally also refer to the use of 'sparkling water', which is not natural, either.
Wednesday, January 2, 2013
At least they call water a chemical
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| "Organic" sea salt (is it chemical-free?) Credit goes to Drew for discovering this on Amazon. |
The public doesn't like chemicals, even if they don't know what they are.
So when in my news feed appeared an article referencing a "chemical game of chicken,"* I was quite surprised to see that the chemicals in question were salt and water (how interesting, given that Caribou Coffee, for instance, touts water as the chief ingredient in its 'chemical-free' decaffeination).
So what is this game of chicken? It's one of those hyped-up articles that come out a couple times a year to the effect of "look what stupid thing all teenagers are doing! HOW CAN YOU PROTECT YOUR TEENAGER?" (e.g. vodka eyeballing).
This round of media hype stems from Detroit; the idea is that teenagers are putting a layer of salt and a layer of ice on their skin. From HuffingtonPost:
Detroit doctors report that some area teens are partaking in dangerous trend: a "chemical game of chicken" that can result in permanent damage to their bodies.
In the game, which is called the "salt and ice challenge," teens burn their skin by applying ice to a layer of salt on their skin and holding it for as long as possible.
CBS News reported that adding salt can drop the freezing point of ice as low as 0 degrees Fahrenheit, resulting in severe injuries to the skin, including frostbite.So teenagers are hurting themselves, but let's get to the real issue here: how are reporters covering the science behind the phenomenon? Let's look.
What does CBS News say about it? From their coverage:
The challenge is so painful because of the chemical processes involved. Typically water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, but adding salt causes the freezing point to drop as low as 0 degrees. When applying ice, energy is pulled from what's nearby - in this case, heat from a kid's skin. While "competitors" fight the urge to drop the ice, they risk further damage in the form of blisters or second-degree burns, or frostbite.The science is a little off here; I don't know why 0 degrees was chosen as the arbitrary low point, since a typical ice/salt bath can achieve -20 degrees Celsius (-4 degrees Fahrenheit). It depends on amounts and how cold the ice itself is. Maybe that's just nitpicky, though.
What gets me is the third sentence: "When applying ice, energy is pulled from what's nearby - in this case, heat from a kid's skin." The sentence itself reads pretty awkwardly. But it also makes it sound like putting the ice on the salt causes the salt (or the ice) to pull heat away. In reality, as mentioned before, the salt has two functions: (1) it lowers the freezing point of water and (2) lowers the temperature of the water by endothermic dissolution.
Point (1) is crucial. The ice itself is cold (below the freezing temperature, most likely). But it's cold water that is more dangerous, since heat transfer is more efficient between a surface and a fluid than between two surfaces (that's why we use oil baths to heat reactions, and why we put water in ice baths at all).
A Fox article from Kansas City has some fun quotes. For instance:
Associate Professor of Chemistry at Park University, Donna Howell, said with just pure water under the conditions of a test she conducted, the water started crystallizing at point-three degrees Celsius. She said add 30 percent of salt to the water, and the freezing is well below negative 10 degrees Celsius.
“So what they have in their hands, is well below negative 10 and that’s enough to give you pretty serious frostbite,” she said.
Howell also said keep in mind, the kids who have tried this are putting pure salt on their arms, and not just 30 percent.Here the reporters simply butchered the concept of concentration, which is something the public doesn't understand (see the abundant use of "pure" as a marketing term for chemically impure items). If the kids were putting "pure salt" on their arms, that'd be pretty safe, because there'd be no water/ice.
There's a treasure trove in this article from Detroit, however: The opening line from a Detroit-area news network's coverage is particularly horrifying (yes, the comma is in the original):
You know what salt does to ice on a snowy road, It causes a chemical reaction.No... it doesn't. Dissolution is a physical change, not a chemical change; it's certainly not a chemical reaction. Simply put, physical changes can be reversed by physical means (that's the case here; the water could be evaporated off to give the salt again in its original form).
The carnage continues:
When you combine salt and ice on skin, it does damage to living cells and tissue.
Again, this isn't strictly true. Heat transfer does the damage. This requires sufficient salt/ice and a certain amount of time; it's not that salt and ice pop together and give off a red-brown death gas that begins eating skin. The same effects can occur from any coolants, really.
Because salt and ice are common every day items, they can't be legislated under lock and key, they can't be hidden away, there is no black market for them.I love that the writer of the article elevates salt and ice to the level of guns, smallpox, or methamphetamine, as if our first response to reading that a couple teenagers had made a YouTube video would be to write to our Congresspeople, demanding that our voices be heard until sodium chloride and solid dihydrogen monoxide were regulated. I have visions of a salt black market in which perspiration would be evaporated and sold, giving a new meaning to sweatshops. And bans on freezers; only licensed institutes (closely watched, of course) would be trusted with the task of making and using ice (also known as solid water or frozen condensed steam).
Those dangerous chemicals.
* By "chemical game of chicken" we usually mean grad school.
* By "chemical game of chicken" we usually mean grad school.
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